Post details: Alternative distros: Linux Mint

26 May , 2008

Permalink 19:32 UTC, by Josh Saddler Email , 947 words, 2512 views   English (US)
Categories: Gentoo, Linux, Hardware

Alternative distros: Linux Mint

In the first article of this series, I test-drove three lightweight distros: Fluxbuntu, TinyMe, and SliTaz. I'm in search of a lightweight distro for an ancient 1ghz, 128MB RAM laptop. Of the three distros I tried, I was most impressed with SliTaz.

I took Linux Mint 4.0 Fluxbox Community Edition for a spin yesterday. How did the second Ubuntu-based distro do?

Worst-performing LiveCD ever.

And I mean ever, on any hardware I've had to use. Even booting a Gnome-based LiveCD and running Evolution and OpenOffice on this old laptop showed better performance. Booting Ubuntu 5.04 on my wife's ancient iMac G3 (128MB RAM, CPU about 400mhz) took less time than Linux Mint did.

Linux Mint offers the standard Ubuntu-style bootscreen, followed by an etremely long boot time. There was no way to get detailed boot messages or status, just a splashscreen with a bouncing progress bar. Fluxbuntu at least had the usual function key for verbose boot. The only indication I had that my laptop was still working for the 5 minute bootup was the constant thrashing of the CD drive. Fail for transparency -- I need to know what's going on during the boot process so I can tweak it for my system later, if need be.

Once the graphical desktop was loaded (another 6 minutes), the CD thrashing continued. At this point I was worried about what it might be doing to my drive, but grimly pressed on. Supposedly the LiveCD was using the existing 512MB swap partition on my hard disk, but not very well, as performance was abysmal. Also, just like Fluxbuntu, the annoying fan never turned off.

Desktop load times were further increased because of a couple of panel applets. The first sucked up bandwidth and CPU usage dialing out to find software updates ("1 update available;" who cares since it's a LiveCD?!), and the other took awhile to examine my hardware and tell me "1 restricted driver available." I assume this was for the integrated nVidia graphics chip, but I didn't bother trying to install either update. The functionality is nice enough, I suppose, but really shouldn't be activated in a limited-resource environment like the LiveCD.

Mint contains a minimal Fluxbox environment, with a single desktop "Install" icon, presumably provided by iDesk. Alone among the distros I've tried so far, Linux Mint does not by default display a more practical panel like FBpanel, Perlpanel, or Pypanel. However, in the Fluxbox menu there was an entry to start FBpanel. Why couldn't that have been already running, replacing the extremely limited Fluxbox toolbar? I clicked it, and discovered why. It took 8 minutes to load. Eight minutes to launch FBpanel, fer cryin' out loud. FBpanel is known for being tiny and fast; I had no problems with it in the other distros. The Mint panel starts up on the bottom of the screen, right under the Fluxbox toolbar. Fail for positioning; they shouldn't both occupy the same space.

I poked around the Fluxbox menu to see what was available. Linux Mint offers its own toplevel menu, laid out mostly sensibly by the developers. But for some reason, the menus generated by Fluxbox are also available at the bottom, and those are confusing as heck. The one nice thing is that the application name was displayed, rather than just "Picture viewer." Fluxbox's generated menus were quite poorly designed; it would have been better if the developers had left it out, in favor of their own menu. The generated Fluxbox menu had the most application entries (though poorly laid out, in multiple submenus), the Mint-designed menu had fewer listings, though better organized, and the FBpanel menu has the fewest entries, though it's the layout most familiar to Gnome and Xfce users.

Software selection is okay; the filemanager seems to be Rox, but I couldn't get it to actually load. Several minutes of disk churning, and then things went back to normal. At least OpenOffice isn't bundled with Linux Mint; who knows what that would have done. The Xfce Terminal is included, but its performance is just as piss-poor as the rest of the apps on the CD. Took 3 minutes to launch and get to the prompt. Now, even under load, when running Terminal on my old laptop, worst startup was around 10 seconds. It's a little unusual that they picked a terminal emulator that requires several Xfce runtime dependencies, when similar apps like rxvt, aterm, and eterm are available.

Having had enough of the poorly performing LiveCD environment, I decided to give the "Install" icon on the desktop a shot. Maybe it won't behave so badly once installed, right? Double-click.

Fifteen drive-thrashing minutes later, there's still no sign of the installer. Clearly it's trying to load something, but what--oh, look, the screen went blank. It was still backlit, so I'm not sure if it was trying to load a fullscreen installer or a screensaver or what. Wait, wait, wait some more. It never came back up. I put it down as "more retardedness," and decided to hell with this. I powered off the laptop the hard way. Oh well, it's not like there was any data on the hard disk. I wanted to throw the CD-RW across the room, but I still need it for the other distros.

If I'd been manually reinstalling Gentoo, I would have been at least halfway through at this point.

The verdict for Linux Mint: fail. A solid 0 on any scale. Not recommended for any machine, really. Especially not old hardware. Linux Mint 5.0 is currently in beta status, but even if the Fluxbox edition is updated, I doubt I'll ever try it again.

Coming up: PCFluxboxOS, Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, DeLi Linux, and Arch Linux. Stay tuned.

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Comment from: Don Birdsall [Visitor] Email
This illustrates a concept I know to be true but is not often emphasized. The performance of an given Linux distro will vary depending on hardware. Clearly, your machine is not a match for Mint.

I do not use Mint but I like it's idea of including drivers and codecs that otherwise have to be downloaded and installed separately. Like yourself I burned the CD and booted it my Toshiba laptop. It was a little slow but not seriously so.

Mandriva One has a similar "let's include the codecs" concept. It works quite well on my laptop and I would consider it as an alternate to Ubuntu. My old desktop has a broken DVD Drive and Ubuntu seems to be the only distro that will tolerate the condition. No others, so far, will boot.

Don
PermalinkPermalink 26 May , 2008 @ 22:46
Comment from: Josh Saddler [Member] Email · http://dev.gentoo.org/~nightmorph
@Don:

Yeah, my laptop is definitely not able to handle Mint, at least not in Mint's current state. But the version of Mint I tried is intended to be a lightweight version, lighter even than the Mint Xfce edition.

Given that all the other light WM-based LiveCDs (even other Ubuntu-based ones, like Fluxbuntu) performed better, I think it's fair to assume that Mint is the culprit here. Something's wrong with it; it's the only intolerant distro.

Which is too bad, since it does have some good ideas, like including everything you need for multimedia playback and offering "restricted" hardware drivers right up front. Mandriva may offer the same, but there's no way I'd dare try it on this machine; it's too much of a beast.
PermalinkPermalink 26 May , 2008 @ 23:23
Comment from: Kevin Miller [Visitor] Email · http://www.saigonnezumi.com
I do like Linux Mint 4 Darya and can't wait until the next release. Unfortunately, as you mentioned, the install even on a high end system is a bit slow.

I was considering using it for a local NGO here but after waiting 30 minutes for the install on a two year old computer, we gave up. I was disappointed a bit since once installed, it really is a good distro.

On that same note, both Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.04 took forever to install as well on my high end desktop though once installed, I did like the distros.

It is odd how Gentoo seems to install faster than most distros these days :-)
PermalinkPermalink 27 May , 2008 @ 00:55
Comment from: Ed [Visitor] Email
Please bear in mind that the distro you tested is a community edition and still a beta preview.
I think you should have stated this more clearly since you're giving a bad image of Linux Mint whose main and only official version is Gnome based.
As the new version of Linux Mint, Elyssa, is about to be released, the fluxbox CE project is now focusing on this new base.
I hope you'll get a better experience with that one.
PermalinkPermalink 27 May , 2008 @ 01:06
Comment from: AnonymousWatcher [Visitor] Email
I had to laugh when i read about your wish to throw the CD-RW across the room :-)
I tended to use them for scrapspace and ecological reasons also, but with USB-Sticks getting more and more common? Anyways, in my experience strange things may happen with RWs. Including your described..errr..symptoms. Burn the same image on a normal CD-R and everything works in the speed as expected. Sometimes, at least, when the software itself isn't the culprit. I guess CD-RW isn't implemented that carefully in the firmware of the most drives.
PermalinkPermalink 27 May , 2008 @ 06:09
Comment from: yoga [Visitor] Email
I agreed with AnonymousWatcher, you might want to try burning them on a normal CD-R media instead of CD-RW. Old CD drive tend to have problems in reading rewritten CD-RW media. It'll be a waste of space, but could _really_ help you experiencing each disto's true performance.

As for Puppy linux, I don't know much but I suggest you to visit their forum. This distro could be your ultimate answer.
PermalinkPermalink 7 June, 2008 @ 13:24
Comment from: Darth Chaos [Visitor] Email · http://darthchaosofrspw.wordpress.com
I actually like Mint Fluxbox. It does seem weird to right-click to open the Fluxbox menu, but anybody can right-click. Anyway, I find Mint Fluxbox easy to use and configure. I love the fact that it uses Thunar as its file manager. Thunar is my favorite. I like it a lot better than Nautilus. I find that a lot of software works great with Mint Fluxbox, even the CNR client Linspire makes for Linux Mint. Only thing I don't like about Mint Fluxbox is the included software. I don't like Exaile, so I always replace it with Rhythmbox. I don't like Gnormalize, so I replace it with Sound Juicer. I don't like Mplayer, so I replace it with VLC. And adding applications to the menu is easy as pie with the Fluxmenu.
PermalinkPermalink 17 June, 2008 @ 18:21

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